Robbie Lyman

Nuh-uh! Infinity plus one!

This is a blog post about ordinal numbers, ordinal arithmetic, and a brief advertisement for a result I proved with Beth Branman, George Domat, and Hannah Hoganson. We’re hoping to put a paper on the arXiv and submit for publication in the coming weeks; I’ll update this post with a link when it’s up.

Nuh-uh! Infinity plus one!

I’m sure you’ve probably spent enough time with children or were once a child to remember a variant of the line above. Somehow you and a friend are competing to name bigger and bigger numbers. Maybe your friend thinks they’ve won because they know about infinity and say “Infinity!” and you have to top that, so you say “Nuh-uh! Infinity plus one!” At a vibes level, ordinal numbers in mathematics are a way to actually take that idea seriously.

Two definitions

A totally ordered set is a set with an order ; given any two distinct elements and of the set, one is always bigger, maybe is bigger, so we say . The order is transitive as usual.

Some total orders go on forever in one or both directions. For example, the integers . Given an integer like 16, there’s always an element smaller than it, and an element bigger than it. A set is well-ordered if it only goes on forever as you get bigger. That is, a set is well-ordered if any nonempty subset has a smallest element.

So the integers are not well-ordered, but the natural numbers are well-ordered.

An ordinal is the order-isomorphism class of a well-ordered set.

The von Neumann definition of the ordinals provides a convenient (although initially very confusing because the quickest way to say it gets circular fast) way to represent ordinals:

We start with . The empty set is the zero ordinal. Next . The set containing the empty set is the first successor ordinal. In general, given an ordinal , there is an ordinal which, as a set, is the collection of all ordinals up to and including in the order that they appear. So for example .

In this definition, each ordinal is a prefix of all ordinals which are bigger than it. Given an increasing sequence of ordinals , their union is a well-ordered set which we call . The first example is . The notation is standard when referring to the set of natural numbers as an ordinal, so we’ll use it throughout this post.

Every ordinal turns out to either be or a successor ordinal , or a limit ordinal , where and the are previously constructed ordinals. This is the basis for a proof technique called transfinite induction.

Notice, this definition makes it totally sensible to say ! Here is a picture representing .

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... ω

Ordinal arithmetic

Given two totally ordered sets and , you can produce a new one by sticking them “end-to-end” so that every element of is bigger than every element of . When these sets and are well-ordered, so too is . This is ordinal addition.

Ordinal addition is not commutative: you should convince yourself that but that is different from by virtue of having a largest element.

There is also ordinal multiplication. Given two totally ordered sets and , their cartesian product is totally ordered by saying that when either or and . This order is called reverse lexicographic order, because the “second letter” in the “word” is more important, which is the opposite from when you alphabetize a bookshelf.

Again, when and are totally ordered, the product with this reverse lexicographic order is totally ordered, and its order-isomorphism class is the product of these ordinals. This product is also not commutative: you can convince yourself that , but it turns out that is different from .

One final operation I want to mention is ordinal exponentiation. Here I’ll rely a little more on von Neumann’s terminology. A function where and are ordinals is finitely supported if for all but finitely many elements , we have .

Two finitely supported functions can be compared: take to be the largest element for which , and say that if . This makes the collection of finitely supported functions into a well-ordered set, which we denote . Exponentiation with base has the nice property that .

Picturing ordinals

What we’ve talked about so far can help us visualize ordinals. For example

So to picture , the rule for ordinal addition says that we should stitch together infinitely many copies of end-to-end.

Actually, we can be even braver! Now that we can picture , we can stitch together those to build and so on. The observation that if , then tells us that

So we can picture this ordinal by lining up a copy of for each finite in increasing order!

Okay I’ll finish this section with a challenge straight from your kid self: using the same strategies as before, we could picture and then (so four s, and then 5, and so on) and line up all of those ordinals to picture their limit, which is called . The ordinal is a tower of repeated exponentiations with base and has the weird property that .

It turns out that there may (or may not be!) many many many countable ordinals on beyond !

Classifying homeomorphisms of ordinals

In a 2025 paper with myself, Branman, Domat and Hoganson, we studied the group of homeomorphisms of countable ordinals equipped with the order topology. The reason for studying homeomorphism, which is weaker than order isomorphism, is that by definition ordinals have no order automorphisms, but they do have many homeomorphisms.

For example, the homeomorphism group of a finite ordinal is the symmetric group . The homeomorphism group of or of is the group of bijections of a countable set.

When is a countable, compact ordinal, the group is a Polish topological group with the compact–open topology.

Such (nonempty) ordinals are classified up to homeomorphism by two pieces of data: a countable ordinal and a natural number . In the notation above, the ordinal is homeomorphic (although not necessarily equal) to .

Using a framework introduced by Christian Rosendal, we showed in that previous paper that the following properties hold.

Theorem (Branman–Domat–Hoganson–Lyman, 2025). The groups have a well-defined coarse structure. Moreover, they fall into three camps:

  1. If , the group is coarsely bounded, so coarsely equivalent to a point.

  2. If and is a successor ordinal , the group is generated by a coarsely bounded set, and has a well-defined, unbounded quasi-isometry type.

  3. If and is a limit ordinal, the group is not generated by any coarsely bounded set.

In a forthcoming paper we will complete the classification of homeomorphism groups of countable, compact ordinals by proving the following result.

Theorem (Branman–Domat–Hoganson–Lyman 2026). The groups fall into exactly three coarse equivalence classes as described above.

That is, we show that all groups in any of the three camps above are coarsely equivalent to each other and not to ones from the other camps. This is obviously already known for the first camp by our previous work. For the other two camps, the result is to our knowledge one of the first of its kind in the setting of non-locally compact Polish groups.

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